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Say what you will about Che, but calling him a "coward" is absurd.


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Blindfolding and summarily executing unarmed peasants en masse is, in my book, an act of cowardice.

Furthermore, with his rag-tag team of revolutionaries fighting and dying to the last bullet, a slightly wounded Che ran away from the fight and surrendered with a fully loaded gun in his pocket, while whimpering to his enemies: "Don't Shoot! I'm Che! I'm worth more to you alive than dead!"

The Bolivians begged to differ.


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right now reading 'the arabian nights' which is sweet.


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Che was, contrary to popular belief, a bumbling coward who knew about as much about guerrilla warfare as Angela Lansbury.


here's the book I had to read for my Latin American Revolution class...it concentrates on Che's adult life, his revolution campaigns, his influences, his writings, his tri-continental strategy, ect. the best part about it is that it doesn't take sides, it presents arguments that can be used by his admirers and haters...

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"Comandante Che" by Paul Dosal

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This outstanding work is the first comprehensive, objective, and truly professional study of the contribution of Che Guevara to the theory and practice of revolutionary guerrilla warfare in the twentieth century. It is based on a thorough and careful reading of the relevant primary sources-principally, Che's voluminous campaign diaries, along with recently declassified CIA documents on his operations in the Congo and Bolivia."-Neill Macaulay, University of Florida

The victory of Fidel Castro's rebel army in Cuba was due in no small part to the training, strategy, and leadership provided by Ernesto Che Guevara. Despite the deluge of biographies, memoirs, and documentaries that appeared in 1997 on the thirtieth anniversary of Guevara's death, his military career remains shrouded in mystery. Comandante Che is the first book designed specifically to provide an objective evaluation of Guevara's record as a guerrilla soldier, commander, and strategist from his first skirmish in Cuba to his defeat in Bolivia eleven years later.

Using new evidence from Guevara's previously unpublished campaign diaries and declassified CIA documents, Paul Dosal reassesses Guevara's impact as a guerrilla warrior and theorist, comparing his accomplishments with those of other guerrilla leaders with whom he has been ranked, including Colonel T. E. Lawrence, Mao Tse-Tung, and General Vo Nguyen Giap.

This reassessment reveals that Guevara was often underrated as a conventional military strategist, overrated as a guerrilla commander, and misrepresented as a guerrilla theorist. Guevara achieved his greatest military victory by applying a conventional military strategy in the final stages of the Cuban Revolution, orchestrating the defensive campaign that held off the Cuban army in the summer of 1958. As a guerrilla commander, he scored impressive victories in ambush after ambush in Bolivia, but in winning the battles he lost the war. He violated most of his own precepts during the Bolivian campaign, compelling analysts to question the validity of both his strategies and his command skills.

Though he is credited with developing foco theory, Guevara never attempted to advance a new theory of guerrilla warfare. He was a fighter, not a theorist. He wanted to defeat American imperialism by launching guerrilla campaigns simultaneously in Asia, Africa, and Latin America, but his tricontinental strategy resulted in failures first in the Congo and then in Bolivia. Comandante Che presents the full record of Guevara's successes and failures, separating myth from reality about one of the twentieth century's most controversial revolutionary figures. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.


i think it's pretty ignorant to say Che was a "coward"...i more accurate word would be "stubborn". so stubborn that he that he ignored several factors in Bolivia JUST SO he could fight on the front lines which led him to his death.

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This book needs to make a move into the White House in 2008.


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thank you for the recommendation, ill do some scopage on that ish.


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As real as it comes. If you want to know why there are terrorists read the first chapter of this book, titled 'On Violence'. Probably one of the top 3 books I've ever read.

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As real as it comes. If you want to know why there are terrorists read the first chapter of this book, titled 'On Violence'. Probably one of the top 3 books I've ever read.

Here's a wikipedia breakdown for those still unconvinced:

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"in dubious battle" by john steinbeck

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aside from its political attributes, one of the most beautifully written books i've ever read. an easy read definitely worth checking out.


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"in dubious battle" by john steinbeck

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aside from its political attributes, one of the most beautifully written books i've ever read. an easy read definitely worth checking out.


Great book.


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procure uno wrote:
"in dubious battle" by john steinbeck

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aside from its political attributes, one of the most beautifully written books i've ever read. an easy read definitely worth checking out.


Great book.


hmm. given some of your statements, i find it surprising that a book about two communists attempting to start a strike in an apple valley would appeal to you. (even though the book isn't really pro-communism/anti-capitalism).


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"in dubious battle" by john steinbeck

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aside from its political attributes, one of the most beautifully written books i've ever read. an easy read definitely worth checking out.


Great book.


hmm. given some of your statements, i find it surprising that a book about two communists attempting to start a strike in an apple valley would appeal to you. (even though the book isn't really pro-communism/anti-capitalism).


The book is about humanity more so than politics, IMO. Steinbeck being a master writer doesn't hurt either.


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One of the more thought provoking books I've read in the last year.

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The "Lucifer Principle" is freelance journalist Bloom's theory that evil-which manifests in violence, destructiveness and war-is woven into our biological fabric. A corollary is that evil is a by-product of nature's strategy to move the world to greater heights of organization and power as national or religious groups follow ideologies that trigger lofty ideals as well as base cruelty. In an ambitious, often provocative study, Bloom applies the ideas of sociobiology, ethology and the "killer ape" school of anthropology to the broad canvas of history, with examples ranging from Oliver Cromwell's reputed pleasure in killing and raping to Mao Tse-tung's bloody Cultural Revolution, India's caste system and Islamic fundamentalist expansion. Bloom says Americans suffer "perceptual shutdown" that blinds them to the United States' downward slide in the pecking order of nations. His use of concepts like pecking order, memes (self-replicating clusters of ideas), the "neural net" or group mind of the social "superorganism" seem more like metaphors than explanatory tools.
Copyright 1994 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.


This should be required reading...

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According to this classic of revisionist American history, narratives of national unity and progress are a smoke screen disguising the ceaseless conflict between elites and the masses whom they oppress and exploit. Historian Zinn sides with the latter group in chronicling Indians' struggle against Europeans, blacks' struggle against racism, women's struggle against patriarchy, and workers' struggle against capitalists. First published in 1980, the volume sums up decades of post-war scholarship into a definitive statement of leftist, multicultural, anti-imperialist historiography. This edition updates that project with new chapters on the Clinton and Bush presidencies, which deplore Clinton's pro-business agenda, celebrate the 1999 Seattle anti-globalization protests and apologize for previous editions' slighting of the struggles of Latinos and gays. Zinn's work is an vital corrective to triumphalist accounts, but his uncompromising radicalism shades, at times, into cynicism. Zinn views the Bill of Rights, universal suffrage, affirmative action and collective bargaining not as fundamental (albeit imperfect) extensions of freedom, but as tactical concessions by monied elites to defuse and contain more revolutionary impulses; voting, in fact, is but the most insidious of the "controls." It's too bad that Zinn dismisses two centuries of talk about "patriotism, democracy, national interest" as mere "slogans" and "pretense," because the history he recounts is in large part the effort of downtrodden people to claim these ideals for their own.
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This was a pretty fascinating read as well...

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In a biting biography and computer-industry expose, two Seattle Post-Intelligencer journalists here relate in dramatic detail how a moody, computer-dazzled prep-school whiz kid, a Harvard dropout at age 19, formed his own company, now Microsoft Inc., with a few friends. They developed and marketed in aggressive style a series of personal-computer software applications and operating systems, the phenomenal sales of which by some accounts have made 37-year-old William H. Gates Jr. the richest person in America. Alternately cooperating and competing with industry giants Apple, Xerox and IBM, "Chairman Bill" worked 20-hour days in Levis and loafers and relaxed by driving his Mercedes at speeds up to 150 mph, as Microsoft set industry standards in desktop-computer languages and programs. Driven and hard-driving, Gates has engendered admiration, envy, imitation, complaints of unfairness and an FTC investigation. $60,000 ad/promo; author tour.
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Does anyone want to read a "Christian" book? I have several suggestions in mind:

Simply Christian: Why Christianity Makes Sense, by N.t. Wright

Mere Christianity By CS Lewis

Orthodoxy by GK Chesterton

Each of these describes and makes a case for the Christian faith from various directions. What they have in common is that they don't attempt to "prove" Christianity, so much as give a broad vision of what it is (which is not so well understood as one might think), and give a general sense of why it can be believed. All three are very good writers, and brilliant men. So if that appeals to anyone, I'm up for reading one of these.

My other idea is to read something that is perhaps more of an outright defense of the truth of Christianity. Here are my suggestions:

Who Moved the Stone? by Frank Morison
What Have They Done with Jesus?: Beyond Strange Theories and Bad History--Why We Can Trust the Bible
by Ben Witherington
The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel

The first is a classic examination of the historical evidence for the resurrection. The second addresses Christian origins and defends the orthodox Christian view of them. The third is a more general defense of Christianity from a variety of viewpoints. I have not read any of these three books...


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I read Mere Christianity and thought highly of it. CS Lewis is dope.


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One of the more thought provoking books I've read in the last year.

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The "Lucifer Principle" is freelance journalist Bloom's theory that evil-which manifests in violence, destructiveness and war-is woven into our biological fabric. A corollary is that evil is a by-product of nature's strategy to move the world to greater heights of organization and power as national or religious groups follow ideologies that trigger lofty ideals as well as base cruelty. In an ambitious, often provocative study, Bloom applies the ideas of sociobiology, ethology and the "killer ape" school of anthropology to the broad canvas of history, with examples ranging from Oliver Cromwell's reputed pleasure in killing and raping to Mao Tse-tung's bloody Cultural Revolution, India's caste system and Islamic fundamentalist expansion. Bloom says Americans suffer "perceptual shutdown" that blinds them to the United States' downward slide in the pecking order of nations. His use of concepts like pecking order, memes (self-replicating clusters of ideas), the "neural net" or group mind of the social "superorganism" seem more like metaphors than explanatory tools.
Copyright 1994 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.


Really liking this...half way in. Especially for what is going on with Islam and Christianity today.


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'The African Origin Of Egyptian Civilization' by Dr.Cheik Anta Diop...(this book breaks down about how western society has a eurocentric view of history an that you know, definetly put me up on things, solved the riddles to shit I already thought of but couldn't articulate or had any proof of until I read this book you know, good shit, big up Dr.Cheik Anta Diop, r.i.p, souljah, for real, its nuthin long)

'State Origin-The Evidence Of The Laboratory Birth Of AIDS' by Boyd Ed Graves...(another sick book exposing how the system from the eugenics movement to the population control movement have been actively looking for ways to reduce the worlds population wit diseases an proof that they, the US goverment specifically, made AIDS, this book is shower, truss me people, people need to support the author of this book Dr.Boyd Ed Graves, he took the US goverment to court for the creation of AIDS an the system shut him down, fuck the system, big up Dr.Boyd Ed Graves, you dunno, lets go)

'Emerging Viruses, AIDS & Ebola-Nature, Accident Or Intentional' by Leonard G Horowitz...certain people think the author of this book Leonard G Horowitz is CIA, just looking for fame, flopping real resistance to the system, he along wit others flopped Dr.Boyd Ed Graves trial as a defence witness, but I don't know, but even still, the system does get exposed in this book)

'Behold The Pale Horse' by William Cooper...(I think most people in the hood worldwide knew AIDS was man made, but didn't know how, but this book was definetly the first book that definetly put what man thought into real proof an that, an on top of that he exposed a lot of things that wern't exposed at the time in terms of how the system gets down an that you know, he used to work for the US armed forces but I think he got merked by ATF agents at his ranch in Arizona or sumthin, fuck the police, boy dem are disgusting, they can suck my dick, taste so slick, YEH, straight, lets go
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Why is it that these secret squirrel conspiracy books that shed da truf on what's really happening OMG open your eyes man! are only read and championed by the stupidest people you know?

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Why is it that these secret squirrel conspiracy books that shed da truf on what's really happening OMG open your eyes man! are only read and championed by the stupidest people you know?


I always wondered that myself. Goes along with alien abductions where it is trailer trash and truck drivers that are taken instead of i don't know world leaders and scientists.


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I own mere christianity, and suprized by joy, both by lewis, but Im not far into them.

I copped "the wretched of the earth by franz fanon, thanks to yall... but I think my dad will read it before I do.....

Im reading "misquoting jesus: who changed the bible and why"

as well as "seven sermons to the dead, and the gnostic jung"

next up is "the bible unearthed" a book over looking the archeological finds related to the biblical world...


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Can anyone recommend a good book on non-Western history or possibly on one non-Western region, that provides a good sweep of historical periods? (Kind of like an all-in-one)

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Starred Review. Think of a song that resonates deep down in your being. Now imagine sitting down with someone who was there when the song was recorded and can tell you how that series of sounds was committed to tape, and who can also explain why that particular combination of rhythms, timbres and pitches has lodged in your memory, making your pulse race and your heart swell every time you hear it. Remarkably, Levitin does all this and more, interrogating the basic nature of hearing and of music making (this is likely the only book whose jacket sports blurbs from both Oliver Sacks and Stevie Wonder), without losing an affectionate appreciation for the songs he's reducing to neural impulses. Levitin is the ideal guide to this material: he enjoyed a successful career as a rock musician and studio producer before turning to cognitive neuroscience, earning a Ph.D. and becoming a top researcher into how our brains interpret music. Though the book starts off a little dryly (the first chapter is a crash course in music theory), Levitin's snappy prose and relaxed style quickly win one over and will leave readers thinking about the contents of their iPods in an entirely new way. (Aug.)
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Heat is a remarkable work on a number of fronts--and for a number of reasons. First, watching the author, an untrained, inexperienced and middle-aged desk jockey slowly transform into not just a useful line cook--but an extraordinarily knowledgable one is pure pleasure. That he chooses to do so primarily in the notoriously difficult, cramped kitchens of New York's three star Babbo provides further sado-masochistic fun. Buford not only accurately and hilariously describes the painfully acquired techniques of the professional cook (and his own humiations), but chronicles as well the mental changes--the "kitchen awareness" and peculiar world view necessary to the kitchen dweller. By end of book, he's even talking like a line cook.
Secondly, the book is a long overdue portrait of the real Mario Batali and of the real Marco Pierre White--two complicated and brilliant chefs whose coverage in the press--while appropriately fawning--has never described them in their fully debauched, delightful glory. Buford has--for the first time--managed to explain White's peculiar--almost freakish brilliance--while humanizing a man known for terrorizing cooks, customers (and Batali). As for Mario--he is finally revealed for the Falstaffian, larger than life, mercurial, frighteningly intelligent chef/enterpreneur he really is. No small accomplishment. Other cooks, chefs, butchers, artisans and restaurant lifers are described with similar insight.

Thirdly, Heat reveals a dead-on understanding--rare among non-chef writers--of the pleasures of "making" food; the real human cost, the real requirements and the real adrenelin-rush-inducing pleasures of cranking out hundreds of high quality meals. One is left with a truly unique appreciation of not only what is truly good about food--but as importantly, who cooks--and why. I can't think of another book which takes such an unsparing, uncompromising and ultimately thrilling look at the quest for culinary excellence. Heat brims with fascinating observations on cooking, incredible characters, useful discourse and argument-ending arcania. I read my copy and immediately started reading it again. It's going right in between Orwell's Down and Out in Paris and London and Zola's The Belly of Paris on my bookshelf. --Anthony Bourdain


ive mentioned it before about working at a restaurant (but not in the kitchen) and this book actually moves me in the way i understand the kitchen and the industry and the food itself (which im also huge fan of)


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Heat is a remarkable work on a number of fronts--and for a number of reasons. First, watching the author, an untrained, inexperienced and middle-aged desk jockey slowly transform into not just a useful line cook--but an extraordinarily knowledgable one is pure pleasure. That he chooses to do so primarily in the notoriously difficult, cramped kitchens of New York's three star Babbo provides further sado-masochistic fun. Buford not only accurately and hilariously describes the painfully acquired techniques of the professional cook (and his own humiations), but chronicles as well the mental changes--the "kitchen awareness" and peculiar world view necessary to the kitchen dweller. By end of book, he's even talking like a line cook.
Secondly, the book is a long overdue portrait of the real Mario Batali and of the real Marco Pierre White--two complicated and brilliant chefs whose coverage in the press--while appropriately fawning--has never described them in their fully debauched, delightful glory. Buford has--for the first time--managed to explain White's peculiar--almost freakish brilliance--while humanizing a man known for terrorizing cooks, customers (and Batali). As for Mario--he is finally revealed for the Falstaffian, larger than life, mercurial, frighteningly intelligent chef/enterpreneur he really is. No small accomplishment. Other cooks, chefs, butchers, artisans and restaurant lifers are described with similar insight.

Thirdly, Heat reveals a dead-on understanding--rare among non-chef writers--of the pleasures of "making" food; the real human cost, the real requirements and the real adrenelin-rush-inducing pleasures of cranking out hundreds of high quality meals. One is left with a truly unique appreciation of not only what is truly good about food--but as importantly, who cooks--and why. I can't think of another book which takes such an unsparing, uncompromising and ultimately thrilling look at the quest for culinary excellence. Heat brims with fascinating observations on cooking, incredible characters, useful discourse and argument-ending arcania. I read my copy and immediately started reading it again. It's going right in between Orwell's Down and Out in Paris and London and Zola's The Belly of Paris on my bookshelf. --Anthony Bourdain


ive mentioned it before about working at a restaurant (but not in the kitchen) and this book actually moves me in the way i understand the kitchen and the industry and the food itself (which im also huge fan of)


I'll be picking this up next time I'm at the bookstore.


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"my war" by colby buzzell.

buzzell was a 25 year old skater in southern california with no direction or plans for his life whatsoever. then one day, he randomly decided that he was going to join the service. enlisting in the army, his was deployed to mosul, iraq with a stryker brigade and saw heavy action. he began a blog online about what he saw and experienced which garned much acclaim from readers at home as well as fellow grunts, but received condemnation from his superiors. upon returning from the war, he published this book, a collection of his blogs and other writings about his experiences in the war.

dude is definitely not michael herr or hemingway when it comes to writing about war and the human condition. however, its an honest look at the iraq war from a guy who is probably like 10 people you know.

the following is an animated short someone did about one of his experiences. the actual chapter in the book is much longer, but still, its pretty dope.

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Get "The perennial Philosophy" by Aldous Huxley. it aims to explain eastern mythology/philosophy and incorporate in our western lives... or something like that, I have not finished it myself.

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Jennie C wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good book on non-Western history or possibly on one non-Western region, that provides a good sweep of historical periods? (Kind of like an all-in-one)

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theirs a lot of Cheik Anta Diop books that don't come from a western or eurocentric point of view looking at history
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Ayo check this out!

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^ has almost every book without copyright you could ever want.

Just downloaded Dante, Gilgamesh, Homer, Plato and some old testament scriptures.

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