jamrage wrote:
Let's say for the sake of argument the poll you posted is accurate.
Employee wrote:
It is accurate. It is a Gallup poll. Are you suggesting that it isn't or throwing shade because the results don't please your declaration of every senior in America loathing Ryan?
I'm suggesting that polls regarding Medicare have varied wildly. You're picking one because it suits your argument. There is many a poll out there that says just the opposite.
jamrage wrote:
Those numbers you posted also leave 10% of seniors up for grabs. Once the talk really starts on Medicare I'd like to see how those numbers change.
Employee wrote:
The talk's been started: Ryan turned the key. Informed voters have all but made up their minds. Old and young alike understand the reality of the entitlement reform wave on the horizon. As Obama fumbles on this issue time and time again in the lead up to the general, Ryan will have the control. The electorate will see one campaign making the same, stale promises that were made four years ago; they will see another campaign that is at least partly based in reality.
Of course people have been talking about it, but it's a political loser during an election. This is a debate you have AFTER you're elected. Nobody is saying that Medicare reform doesn't need to happen at some point, but it's currently financially viable through 2024 so there's no reason to have an election about it. A voucher system certainly isn't the answer anyway.
jamrage wrote:
The Ryan choice was definitely a desperation play. Yeah, it wasn't as desperate as getting Jindal, Rubio etc. but it was far more of a gamble than picking someone with more experience like Pawlenty or Portman.
Employee wrote:
It's only a "desperation play" if you exist inside of a hysterical vacuum and you've proven that you do. And I've heard "desperation" and countless of its iterations regarding Ryan as the pick on all cable networks and across the internet's left. It's a hollow talking point that they know rubes will repeat as long as they say it enough themselves.
I've barely watched any media at all the last couple days, actually. It's clear Ryan was a dark horse candidate given who else was available. It's a risky play. If you don't think it is then you're fooling yourself.
I also make up my own mind, thanks. I suppose I could make the same baseless claim that you are about how you're swallowing all the garbage that's coming from the right, but what's the point? Let's just talk about this instead of throwing stupid ad hominem bullshit around.
jamrage wrote:
Ryan has baggage, there's no denying that. This was a move to please the base, it certainly wasn't one to grab moderates or undecideds. If you're the Obama campaign you've got another religious social conservative to pummel about women's rights/abortion.
Employee wrote:
It failed the first time they tried it and it will fail again. The "War on Women" was lost on liberals and whoever else was raging against the supposed machine. All you need to do is take a look at the recent Chik-fil-a brouhaha to see how gloriously the left's efforts against anyone to the right of Gloria Steinem on abortion or any other hot button issue fail with a track record. I'd urge you to review Carbonite's Q2 filing as to the reasons for their massive decline in value/stock price.
Actually, Romney has been losing women voters according to polls, and his overall favorability rating is woefully low. No presidential candidate has ever won an election with a favorability rating of 40%.
jamrage wrote:
Medicare reform is now going to be an issue, and it's one - I don't care what the numbers say - that you really don't want to have in an election year.
Employee wrote:
You don't want it because you know the team you're rooting for has nothing to bring to the table. No cogent argument for clear course regarding entitlements because they cannot offer one. Pair this inability, which Obama himself has self-identified, with his woeful first term and that becomes a conversation I'm ready to have. Run with conventional wisdom if it gives you a poly sci boner, though.
I'd love to have the conversation because it further dissuades Romney from talking about the very thing he shouldn't stop talking about: the economy as a whole. Again, Medicare is hugely popular with seniors, and as Popeye said they tend to vote Republican. People are scared of change. Hands off my Medicare indeed.
jamrage wrote:
That one million dollars doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme. I think most reasonable people understand at this point that Romney was going to win the money battle no matter who he chose as the vice president candidate.
Employee wrote:
It means a lot. It means the party, the donors, are rallying. It means the momentum is with Romney and Ryan as it has been over the majority of the summer where fundraising is concerned.
It's not shit to Team O.
One day does not a campaign make, and fundraising is the only aspect of Romney's campaign that HAS been consistently going well. He's had an absolutely deplorable summer: his numbers have been falling, and his campaign has been a gaffe machine. That's why they made the Ryan play in the first place. They needed a strong policy guy to help them refocus on the economy. If they can do that they've got a chance, but even the Fox News polls have had Obama pulling away.
Like it or not, Romney is currently losing this election.
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