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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:46 pm

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Good lord. Can someone please set the entire Sgt. Bilko forum on fire?

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At the end of the day, some in the presidentגs party believe, the majority of Americans just wonגt vote for a man tied to layoffs, outsourcing and corporate bankruptcies.

This.

If that's all they want they already have that in the White House.

Just seems too odd that a man that ran a company that bought other companies and sells them off once they've built them up to fail is very reluctant to show his tax records.

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ardamus wrote:

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ardamus wrote:

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At the end of the day, some in the presidentגs party believe, the majority of Americans just wonגt vote for a man tied to layoffs, outsourcing and corporate bankruptcies.

This.

If that's all they want they already have that in the White House.

Just seems too odd that a man that ran a company that bought other companies and sells them off once they've built them up to fail is very reluctant to show his tax records.

I assume it is odd to people for one of four reasons:

1) They believe Romney is genuinely bad and there is something dastardly in the documents

2) They believe that wealth the likes of Romney's is fundamentally wrong/detrimental

3) They have nothing upon which to prop up Obama based on his first-term so they hope these distractions resonate with voters

4) They're very, very, very, very stupid

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-
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[quote]Obama associate got $100,000 fee from affiliate of firm doing business with Iran

By Tom Hamburger and Peter Wallsten, Published: August 5

David Plouffe, a senior White House adviser who was President Obamaגs 2008 campaign manager, accepted a $100,000 speaking fee in 2010 from an affiliate of a company doing business with Iranגs government.

A subsidiary of MTN Group, a South Africa-based telecommunications company, paid Plouffe for two speeches he made in Nigeria in December 2010, about a month before he joined the White House staff.

Since Plouffeגs speeches, MTN Group has come under intensified scrutiny from U.S. authorities because of its activities in Iran and Syria, which are under international sanctions intended to limit the countriesג access to sensitive technology. At the time of Plouffeגs speeches, MTN had been in a widely reported partnership for five years with a state-
owned Iranian telecommunications firm.

There were no legal or ethical restrictions on Plouffe being paid to speak to the MTN subsidiary as a private citizen. But for a close Obama aide to have accepted payment from a company involved in Iran could prove troublesome for the president as the White House toughens its stance toward the Islamic republic. In recent weeks, Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney has accused the administration of being soft on Iran.

The White House declined to make Plouffe available for an interview. Eric Schultz, a White House spokesman, said Sunday that criticizing Plouffe would be unfair because MTN Groupגs role in Iran was not a high-profile issue when he was invited to speak to the affiliate.

גHe gave two speeches on mobile technology and digital communications and had no separate meetings with the companyגs leadership,ג Schultz said in a statement to The Washington Post. גAt the time, not even the most zealous watchdog group on this issue had targeted the Iranian business interests of the hostגs holding company. Criticism of Mr. Plouffe now for issues and controversies that developed only years later is simply misplaced.ג

White House officials said in an e-mail that Plouffe referred the proposed speech to his lawyer for review before accepting the invitation. The e-mail said Plouffeגs lawyer advised that MTNגs business dealings did not raise any issues גthat would weigh against acceptance of the proposed speaking engagement.ג

White House officials said it is not unusual for Washington figures to receive similar fees for speeches. They note that senior officials in the George W. Bush administration had been paid for speeches by companies doing business in Iran.

Plouffe has had no role in administration discussions on whether MTN Group or other companies might be sanctioned because of its activities in Iran, the officials said.

MTN executives denied violating any sanctions but acknowledged that they have been in discussions with administration authorities for months.

Paul Norman, a spokesman for MTN Group, said that the company sought Plouffeגs participation גbecause of his expertise and his knowledge of the U.S. political scene. It was part of a program of such speakers that MTN Nigeria invited to attend their senior management events. It had no connection or relevance to Iran.ג

The White House said Plouffe declined to meet privately with MTN executives in Nigeria.

In 2005, MTN Group entered the Iranian market by forming a joint venture, Irancell, with an Iranian government-backed consortium. Headquartered in Johannesburg, MTN Group has rapidly expanded its businesses in Iran, Nigeria and other developing economies.

In 2006, Stuart Levey, then undersecretary of the Treasury and the point man on Iran sanction enforcement in the Bush administration ג a job he also held for two years under Obama ג told Turkish officials that Irancell was גfully ownedג by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, according to a State Department cable made public by the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks.

The corps led a crackdown on protesters after the June 2009 presidential election in Iran and has long been accused of playing a central role in the countryגs nuclear program. Some of its officers and business interests have been targeted by U.S. and U.N. sanctions intended to curb Iranגs nuclear program dating back to 2006.

Increasing concerns

Since Plouffeגs speeches, the U.S. government has become increasingly concerned that the Iranian government has used MTN operations or technology to help monitor dissidents. Company representatives and South Africaגs ambassador to the United States have met with senior executive branch officials in efforts to stress the firmגs compliance with U.S. sanctions, according to U.S. officials familiar with the talks who spoke on the condition of anonymity because no decisions have been reached.

Norman, the MTN spokesman, said that the company גhas been invited to a series of meetings with U.S. government officials in South Africa and Washington over the last six monthsג in which presidential executive orders on trade with Iran were discussed. He added that there have been several meetings with multiple agencies to גensure that MTNגs operations in Iran remain fully compliant with U.S. sanctions.ג

MTN Groupגs chief executive, Sifiso Dabengwa, said in a past statement that suggestions that the company has been involved in human rights violations in Iran are גfalse and offensive.ג

Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), a leading critic of technology firms operating in Iran, told The Post in a statement late last week that MTN should be גblacklistedג because of evidence that it גprovided technology to Iran used to repress the Iranian people.ג

On Wednesday, Congress passed new sanctions on Iran with provisions that could apply to technology companies such as MTN. The bill awaits the presidentגs signature.

Senior U.S. officials have expressed concern that cellular technology is being used in Iran and Syria to track dissidents. Obama signed an executive order in April allowing U.S. officials for the first time to impose sanctions on foreign nationals found to have used new technologies, including cellphone tracking, to commit human rights abuses.

White Houseגs inner circle

With a broad portfolio mixing politics and policy, Plouffe is a key member of Obamaגs inner circle, a confidant whose desk is just steps from the Oval Office. There is no evidence that he has been involved in policy discussions about Iran sanctions, though he has spoken publicly about the need to restrain Iranגs nuclear program.

Plouffeגs role in the 2008 Obama campaign made him a sought-after speaker for political insiders and corporate conferences around the world. In 2009 and 2010, he delivered dozens of paid speeches and signed a book deal reportedly worth seven figures.

One of his appearances caused a stir. After receiving criticism for delivering a speech in the oil-rich autocracy of Azerbaijan, Plouffe ultimately donated the estimated $50,000 fee to a pro-democracy group.

The $100,000 that Plouffe received for his speeches in Nigeria was the highest payment he reported on his financial disclosure forms, which he filed when he joined the administration in 2011.

In December 2010, Plouffe headlined an MTN-sponsored event in Lagos called the Life Enrichment Seminar, according to Ni

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/romney-raised-1013-million-in-july/2012/08/
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Romney outraised Obama in July, $101.3 million to $75 million
Posted by Aaron Blake at 09:59 AM ET, 08/06/2012

Mitt Romney outraised President Obama by more than $25 million in July, according to numbers released Monday by the campaigns.

Romneyגs campaign announced it raised $101.3 million, while Obamaגs team said in a tweet that it brought in $75 million.

The gap is slightly smaller than it was in June, when Romney raised $106 million and Obama brought in $71 million, but itגs the second-straight month that Romney has pulled in nine figures and the third-straight month he has outraised the incumbent president.

The fundraising numbers are split between the candidatesג campaign committees, their respective national party committees and joint fundraising committees that raise money for both entities.

Romneyגs campaign said the three combined had $185.9 million in the bank at the end of July; Obamaגs team did not announce a cash on hand figure.

At the start of July, Romney had $170 million on hand, compared to $144 million for Obama, whose campaign has spent heavily on ads early in the general election campaign. Just three months before, Obama had a $90 million edge in cash on hand.

גOnce again we see that for many people, this is more than a campaign, it is a cause,ג said Spencer Zwick, chairman of Romneyגs fundraising effort. גWe are honored to have the support of a broad spectrum of donors ג independents, Democrats and Republicans ג whose support of Governor Romney shows that he has the needed plan to jumpstart our economy and get the country on the right track again.ג

Obamaגs team, as usual, played up its advantage in small donors.

גEvery bit helps. 98% of our contributions in July were $250 or less, for an average donation of $53.49,ג the campaign said on Obamaגs Twitter feed.

Updated at 9:59 a.m.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/05/us/politics/record-spending-by-obamas-camp-shrinks-coffers.html

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But now Mr. Obamaגs big-dollar bet is being tested. With less than a month to go before the national party conventions begin, the presidentגs once commanding cash advantage has evaporated, leaving Mitt Romney and the Republican National Committee with about $25 million more cash on hand than the Democrats as of the beginning of July.

Despite Mr. Obamaגs multimillion-dollar advertising barrage against Mr. Romney, he is now being outspent on the airwaves with Mr. Romney benefiting from a deluge of spending by conservative גsuper PACsג and outside groups. While Mr. Romney has depleted much of his funds from the nominating contest, he is four weeks away from being able to tap into tens of millions of dollars in general election money. And many polls show the race to be very close.

Mr. Obamaגs cash needs ג he spent $70.8 million in June alone, more than half on advertising and far more than he raised ג have brought new urgency to his campaignגs fund-raising efforts. His advisers have had to schedule more fund-raising trips than originally planned to big-money states like New York, according to donors involved in the effort. The super PAC supporting his campaign, Priorities USA Action, is enlisting former President Bill Clinton as a rainmaker, hoping to counter its conservative counterparts.

While Mr. Obama will also have access to general election money in September, he is unlikely to have the same spending advantage over Mr. Romney as he had during the primary season, when Mr. Romney spent much of his money battling Republican rivals.

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http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/08/06/wh-press-corps-weeks-question/

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WH Press Corps Goes Seven Weeks Without a Question
by KEITH KOFFLER on AUGUST 6, 2012, 9:28 AM

President Obama has not taken a serious question from the White House press corps in nearly seven weeks, a remarkable string that points to a campaign-style White House operation that is seeking to insulate the candidate from tough cross examination.

The last substantive question Obama took from a White House reporter was during a June 20 press conference following the G20 Summit in Los Cabos, Mexico. Obama allowed only six questions during the event, which was nearly guaranteed to keep him out of political hot water as the focus was on foreign policy.

Since then, Obama has held no press conferences, given no interviews to White House reporters, and taken no questions at the White House events he has held where reporters have been present.

After a July 26 Cabinet meeting, Obama actually laughed off the prospect of taking a serious question about gun laws.

From the White House transcript:

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Q Mr. President, can you tell us, if what the Colorado shooter did was entirely legal, how do you do more on this subject without any new laws?

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. Iגm sure weגll have more opportunity to talk about this.

Q This afternoon is fine. Iגm available.

THE PRESIDENT: Thanks. Iגll ask Jay for your number. (Laughter.)

During his recent trip to Europe and Israel, Mitt Romneyגs failure to take many questions from the frustrated reporters traveling with him sparked an uproar in Washington, even though Romney did in fact hold a press availability during the trip.

Obamaגs silencing of the White House press corps has drawn no similar protest.

To the contrary, Daily Caller White House reporter Neil Munro was derided by his colleagues when he interrupted Obamaגs remarks in the Rose Garden June 15 to try to ask about immigration. Munro said he thought Obama had finished.

It turns out that was one of the last questions any White House reporter has asked the president.

Obama has done some interviews with local TV reporters during the interim. But, though they occasionally yield some news, these sessions tend to be easy home runs for the president. Obama is facing reporters less versed in national issues and politics than the White House press corps. And they are more likely to be intimidated by the trappings of the White House, where they suddenly find themselves sitting down with the president of the United States.

Obama and Michelle also swatted away mainly softballs during a July 12 interview with גCBS The Morningג anchor Charlie Rose.

Obama did get one feeble question from what appeared to be a White House reporter during his June 29 tour of the fire damage in Colorado Springs. Obama was quizzed, גWhat do you think when you see just this stuff right here?ג

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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/08/book-details-obamas-dislike-of-romney/1#.UCAHPPZlQf5

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Obama's Last Stand is the latest in a series of e-books on the campaign produced by Politico.

Writes Thrush of the president's anti-Romney views:

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"That scorn stoked Obama's competitive fire, got his head in the game, which came as a relief to some Obama aides who had seen his interest flag when he didn't feel motivated to crush the opposition.

Obama, a person close to him told me, didn't even feel this strongly about conservative, combative House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, the Hill Republican he disliked the most. At least Cantor stood for something, he'd say.

When he talked about Romney, aides picked up a level of anger he never had for Clinton or McCain, even after Sarah Palin was picked as his running mate. 'There was a baseline of respect for John McCain. The president always thought he was an honorable man and a war hero,' said a longtime Obama adviser. 'That doesn't hold true for Romney. He was no god------ war hero.'"

Visibly.

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Obama, a person close to him told me, didn't even feel this strongly about conservative, combative House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, the Hill Republican he disliked the most. At least Cantor stood for something, he'd say.
He is not lying. I don't think even Employee can say what Romney stands for.

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but interesting to watch.
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Good God. No class. None.

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http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/woman-mentioned-in-priorities-ad-died-in-131332.html

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Woman mentioned in Priorities ad died in '06

By ALEXANDER BURNS | 8/7/12 12:07 PM EDT
The pro-Obama super PAC Priorities USA Action lobbed a heavy-duty attack at Mitt Romney this morning, airing an ad that links the closure of a GST Steel plant in Kansas City to the loss of a familyגs health insurance ג and the death of a woman some time later.

The man speaking in the ad, Joe Soptic, says, גMitt Romney and Bain closed the plant, I lost my health care and my family lost their health care. And a short time after that my wife became ill.ג Soptic explains heגs not exactly sure when his wife became sick, but that when he took her to the hospital she had undetected, advanced cancer and died 22 days later.

The Romney campaign has pushed back on other GST Steel-related attacks by arguing that the plant in Kansas City closed after he stepped away from his management job at Bain. (Democrats counter that Romney was still listed as a top executive at Bain through 2002, and that he built up the private equity firm during the time it invested in GST Steel.)

In the case of this particularly jarring super PAC ad, it may also be relevant that Sopticגs wife died in 2006, years after the GST factory closed down.

A 2006 story in the Kansas City Star reported the death of Ranae Soptic, a former champion roller skater: גSoptic went to the hospital for pneumonia, but doctors found signs of very advanced cancer, and she died two weeks later on June 22.ג

I asked Priorities USA strategist Bill Burton to explain the connection between Romney, Bain and a cancer fatality that happened near the end of Romneyגs tenure as governor of Massachusetts. The lapse in time between the plant closing and Sopticגs death doesnגt mean the ad is invalid, but it raises questions about the cause and effect relationship here.

גWeגre illustrating how long it took for communities and individuals to recover from the closing of these businesses,ג Burton responded. גFamilies and individuals had to find new jobs, new sources of health insurance and a way to make up for the pensions they lost. Mitt Romney has had an enduring impact on the lives of thousands of men and women and for many of them, that impact has been devastating.ג

Like most of the outside-group ads in the 2012 race, the fairness of this one is open to interpretation. But both the Priorities attack and the new welfare-themed hit on Obama from the Romney campaign are provoking more intense outrage ג both publicly and privately ג than most of the other spots weגve seen this summer.

Desperation. Absolute, unflinching, uncompromising, in-the-gutter desperation.

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^Looks like that's more appropriate for your camp in this regard, champ:

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Sam-fuckin'-Stein even says "...they're trying very desperately."

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Pathetic.

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-camp-denies-knowledge-cancer-tale-told-may-195237581.html

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Oops? President Barack Obama's re-election campaign washed its hands Wednesday of an independent group's vicious (and misleading) ad effectively blaming Mitt Romney for the death of a laid-off steelworker's wife from cancer. Campaign officials flatly denied any knowledge of the facts in the caseגbut it turns out the widower told the same story on an Obama campaign conference call in mid-May. (The Obama campaign responded late in the day: See update below).

"We have nothing, no involvement, with any ads that are done by Priorities USA. We don't have any knowledge of the story of the family," Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters aboard Air Force One on Wednesday.

The ad features Joe Soptic, who lost his job and his health benefits after Romney's Bain Capital closed the GST Steel plant in Kansas City, Mo., in 2001. Soptic later told CNN that his wife had health insurance through her own employer from that point to 2002 or 2003, when she left that job because of an injuryגa detail that undermines the ad's heartbreaking narrative.

"I don't know the facts about when Mr. Soptic's wife got sick, or the facts about his health insurance," deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter told CNN on Wednesday.

But there's a problem. As Politico first reported, Soptic told essentially the same story in a May 14, 2012, conference call hosted by the Obama campaign.

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http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/obama-camp-acknowledges-knowing-mans-story-131577.html

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Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki acknowledged Thursday that the campaign was no longer pleading ignorance about the story of a man who has appeared in both a super PAC ad and a campaign ad.

"No one is denying he was in one of our campaign ads. He was on a conference call telling his story," Psaki told reporters on Air Force One.

Missouri steelworker Joe Soptic starred in an Obama campaign ad and participated in a conference call with the campaign in May, as POLITICO reported Wednesday. He resurfaced this week in a Priorities USA Action super PAC ad, charging that his wife died of cancer after Mitt Romney's former private equity firm laid him off.

Distancing themselves from the controversial ad, Obama campaign staffers initially denied knowledge of Soptic's story ג despite the fact that he was in an Obama campaign ad.

Adviser Robert Gibbs said didnגt know "specifics," while deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter said on CNN: גI donגt know the facts about when Mr. Sopticגs wife got sick or the facts about his health insurance."

And yesterday on Air Force One, Psaki said, "we donגt have any knowledge of the story of the family."

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Is there a reliable source list out there of the companies associated with Bain? I'd like to see what companies did well when they went into business with him while Romney was working with them.

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Are people still unaware that Google exists?

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Are people still unaware that Google exists?

Yeah probably. As long as you see humor for you is non-existent......

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Are people still unaware that Google exists?

searching for shit is a skill with all the garbage websites and term conditions google uses to search for shit

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Ryan is Romney's pick. 1996 all over again?

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^Yep

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thats the dude who had that medicare plan that would become a voucher system, right?

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ardamus wrote:

thats the dude who had that medicare plan that would become a voucher system, right?

Yep. It's a play to the religious Conservatives base who still don't really trust Romney. Ryan is a smart guy, but his budget plan is a joke imo. Obama and his team are going to crush him over Medicare. Medicare is not an issue you want to address during election season when conservative leaning old people are the ones you're trying to get out and vote.

It's a bold move that smacks of desperation. Obama has been pulling away in the polls a bit (Pennsylvania isn't even considered a battleground state anymore) so Romney needed some fireworks.

The Biden/Ryan debates should be great television though.

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^^^Ah ok. I read up some more on him. Damn, those Catholics were pissed at him.

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LOL @ "it's a bold move that reeks of desperation." That much would have been true if he'd added Rubio, Petraeus, Rice, or Jindal to the ticket. In the four hours following the announcement their campaign raised $1.2 million. Ryan is whip smart, young, has great TV presence, is likable, and can articulate his ideas powerfully and convincingly.

I'll bet $500 right now that the VP debate is LOADED with foreign policy questions and light as a motherfucker on the economics.

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who is this guy, Mel Gibson?

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jamrage wrote:

Obama and his team are going to crush him over Medicare. Medicare is not an issue you want to address during election season when conservative leaning old people are the ones you're trying to get out and vote.

You exist in a hysterical vacuum. Can you do anything that doesn't involve parroting Bill Maher or Chris Matthews?

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/04/gallup-seniors.php

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A new Gallup/USA Today poll contains a counterintuitive finding: the age group most receptive to House Budget Chair Paul Ryan's plan to deal with the budget - seniors.

The poll finds 48 percent of seniors (those 65 and over) support Ryan's plan over President Obama's plan, while 42 percent back the president.

That's the highest total among the age groups tested - a 47 percent plurality between the ages of 50 and 64 backed Ryan, and a 45 percent plurality of those between 30-49 backed Ryan. But young voters overwhelmingly sided with Obama by a 23-point margin, 53 to 30 percent.

Yeah, I can really sense the senior hate. LOL.

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jamrage wrote:

You exist in a hysterical vacuum. Can you do anything that doesn't involve parroting Bill Maher or Chris Matthews?

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/04/gallup-seniors.php

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Yeah, I can really sense the senior hate. LOL.

I'm far from hysterical I can assure you. Let's try and have a reasonable exchange of ideas here.

The polls I've seen about changes to Medicare vary greatly, but most of the ones I've seen are against changing Medicare. Let's say for the sake of argument the poll you posted is accurate. Those numbers you posted also leave 10% of seniors up for grabs. Once the talk really starts on Medicare I'd like to see how those numbers change. Let's not forget that most seniors really like their Medicare coverage and care. It's something ridiculous, like 90% rated it good, very good, or excellent.

The Ryan choice was definitely a desperation play. Yeah, it wasn't as desperate as getting Jindal, Rubio etc. but it was far more of a gamble than picking someone with more experience like Pawlenty or Portman.

Ryan has baggage, there's no denying that. This was a move to please the base, it certainly wasn't one to grab moderates or undecideds. If you're the Obama campaign you've got another religious social conservative to pummel about women's rights/abortion.

Medicare reform is now going to be an issue, and it's one - I don't care what the numbers say - that you really don't want to have in an election year. W

That one million dollars doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme. I think most reasonable people understand at this point that Romney was going to win the money battle no matter who he chose as the vice president candidate.

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