Cash Rulz wrote:
Popeye, I do have issue with this as it applies to actual golf courses.
I can understand thinking the changes -- if any -- are drastic, if you've only read the write-up from an openly partisan news source that uses symbolic stuff like this as click-bait. Seriously, not attacking you, it's all we were linked to.
Instead of having Combo act as the shrieking messiah for all businesses and their interests, let's go to the source. Let's find the people who would have the biggest problem with this. That's the Golf Course Superintedents Association of America (20K members, since 1926). If anyone would have a problem, it would be them. Luckily, they've weighed in on this, because, wait for it, they helped craft the legislation. I think when you read their summary with all the details (it's level-headed information based, not resentment oriented click-bait based) you might feel a little better. http://www.gcsaa.org/_common/templates/ ... gType=1033
The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) requires reasonable modifications to golf course policies, practices or procedures to serve people with disabilities (as defined by the law) on an equal basis with the rest of the general public. A reasonable modification is one that does not present an undue burden to the golf course or alter the fundamental nature of the game. GCSAA has been active in working with golfers, lawmakers and regulators to address ADA issues. On Sept. 15, 2010, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) released final rules to update its ADA regulations and implement new accessibility standards for golf courses and other recreational facilities. The rules will impact municipal and commercial entities and codify the architectural guidelines for barrier removal. This will impact future golf course development and renovations to existing facilities. Alterations to existing golf courses include the redesign of teeing grounds and greens. Mowing and other general maintenance activities are not considered an alteration. After March 15, 2012, all new golf facilities must be accessible in accordance with the golf course accessibility guidelines and existing courses must remove barriers when it is גreadily achievableג over time (easy to accomplish without much difficulty or expense). The golf course accessibility standards cover: accessible routes and/or alternative golf car passages; teeing grounds; putting greens; weather shelters; and driving ranges. On July 26, 2010, DOJ issued an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (ANPRM) specific to accessible golf cars. DOJ is considering issuing regulations requiring golf courses that provide golf cars, when replacing or acquiring additional standard golf cars, to provide accessible golf cars for use by individuals with disabilities.
GCSAA position statement
As golf course management professionals, the members of GCSAA will work to make golf accessible to all persons by promoting policies and practices that consider the needs and safety of all golfers, promote the growth and vitality of the game and maintain the agronomic integrity of the golf course. The purchase of single rider golf cars should be the decision of each individual golf facility considering multiple factors including customer service considerations, safety of the devices, market demand and economic impact to the facility. Every golf facility in the U.S. has a stake in growing the game of golf. The growth of the game is dependent upon new golfers of all abilities coming into the game.
GCSAA is a founding member of the National Alliance for Accessible Golf. The mission of the Alliance is to increase participation of people with disabilities in the game of golf. GCSAA serves on the Alliance board of directors.
In May 2005, GCSAA submitted comments to the DOJ which began the process of adopting revised ADA standards consistent with Parts II and III of the revised guidelines implementing the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA) and the Architectural Barriers Act of 1968, published by the Access Board on July 23, 2004, at 69 FR 44083. The ANPRM addressed the issue of whether single rider golf cars should be required at all golf facilities in the U.S.
In July 2007, the Alliance hosted its first annual Accessible Golf Pro-Am at the Toledo (Ohio) Country Club. The tournament raised funds for accessible golf programs throughout the country while increasing awareness in the work of the Alliance.
In August 2008, GCSAA submitted comments to the DOJ on the proposed rulemaking issued by the agency on June 17, 2008, to adopt revised ADA Standards consistent with the 2004 ADAAG including the guidelines for recreation facilities. In the NPRM, the DOJ decided not to propose new regulations specific to accessible golf cars.
The seminar גMaking Your Golf Course ADA Accessibleג was held at the 2009 GCSAA Education Conference.
The government relations session גADA Accessibility Guidelines and NPDES Pesticide General Permits: Prepare Your Course for Complianceג was held at the 2011 GCSAA Education Conference.
In January 2011, GCSAA submitted comments to the DOJ on the ANPRM related to גNondiscrimination on the Basis of Disability by State and Local Governments and Places of Public Accommodation; Equipment and Furnitureג. GCSAA also provided public testimony in January 2011 on the ANPRM at a DOJ public listening session in San Francisco.
In September 2011, GCSAA offered a free webcast to its members on the new ADA accessibility guidelines for golf courses. The featured speaker was Peggy Greenwell, U.S. Access Board Accessibility Specialist.
So, basically, golf courses have been on board with this and helping to craft the legislation all along. The DOJ was thinking about having them have to get one handicap accessible golf cart when one of their golf carts had to be replaced for other reasons, and they filed a position paper saying they didn't want to have to do that. The DOJ said "okay" and struck out that part of the legislation. Everyone is happy. While Combo claims to care (and care deeply), he doesn't actually care enough to look into these things he cares about. He's happy to speak for businesses, but can't be troubled with actually taking the ten minutes to investigate what businesses actually think. It might get in the way of his bloviating.
Cash Rulz wrote:
I actually have an overall problem with this to an extent. Are car manufacturers going to have to start making cars to accomodate handicapped individuals? I mean I can understand making your establishment accessible to handicapped individuals, but this seems excessive.
Your concern is with a hypothetical that you yourself made up out of thin air. Are car manufacturers going to have to start making cars to accomodate handicapped individuals? No. There is absolutely no legislation on this. It's completely unrelated to the Americans with Disabilities Act signed into law by George Bush in 1990, the Amendment to the American With Disabilities Act strengthening regulations as signed into law by George W. Bush in 2008, or the implementation of these regulations by the DOJ across all four presidencies since 1990 (two Republican, two Democrat). Honestly, people have been generally mums the word about the ADA for 20 years now. Nobody had rat to say when W. championed and signed through more stringent guidelines. Combo has
to link to a partisan news source, because a non-partisan news source would make mention that businesses helped craft the legislation and are on board with them. If that were included, how could Combo take it upon himself to speak for them?
I honestly think a healthy portion of the wildly and completely ahistorical concern about this can be summed up in four words: "Obama is a Communist." Another healthy portion can be summed up in two words: "Election season." The remaining bits take another four words: "Garden variety partisan ignorance" (which happens on both sides, obviously). Just my take, of course.