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This report is a study of 17 de-classified documents captured during the Abbottabad raid and released to the Combating Terrorism Center (CTC). They consist of electronic letters or draft letters, totaling 175 pages in the original Arabic and 197 pages in the English translation. The earliest is dated September 2006 and the latest April 2011. These internal al-Qa`ida communications were authored by several leaders, most prominently Usama bin Ladin. In contrast to his public statements that focused on the injustice of those he believed to be the ג€œenemiesג€ of Muslims, namely corrupt ג€œapostateג€ Muslim rulers and their Western ג€œoverseers,ג€ the focus of Bin Ladinג€™s private letters is Muslimsג€™ suffering at the hands of his jihadi ג€œbrothersג€. He is at pain advising them to abort domestic attacks that cause Muslim civilian casualties and focus on the United States, ג€œour desired goal.ג€ Bin Ladinג€™s frustration with regional jihadi groups and his seeming inability to exercise control over their actions and public statements is the most compelling story to be told on the basis of the 17 de-classified documents. ג€œLetters from Abbottabadג€ is an initial exploration and contextualization of 17 documents that will be the grist for future academic debate and discussion.

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Bin Laden pwned the fuck out of Fox News. :lol:

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In letters from his last hideout, Osama bin Laden fretted about dysfunction in his terrorist network and crumbling trust from Muslims he wished to incite against their government and the West.
A selection of documents seized in last year's raid on bin Laden's Pakistan house was posted online on Thursday by the US Army's Combating Terrorism Centre. The documents show dark days for al-Qaeda and its hunkered-down leader after years of attacks by the United States and what bin Laden saw as bumbling within his own organisation and its terrorist allies.
"I plan to release a statement that we are starting a new phase to correct (the mistakes) we made," bin Laden wrote in 2010. "In doing so, we shall reclaim, God willing, the trust of a large segment of those who lost their trust in the jihadis."


Until the end, bin Laden remained focused on attacking Americans and coming up with plots, however improbable, to kill US leaders. He wished especially to target airplanes carrying Gen. David Petraeus and even President Barack Obama, reasoning that an assassination would elevate an "utterly unprepared" Vice President Joe Biden into the presidency and plunge the US into crisis.
But a US analysts' report released along with bin Laden's correspondence describes him as upset over the inability of spinoff terrorist groups to win public support for their cause, their unsuccessful media campaigns and poorly planned plots that, in bin Laden's view, killed too many innocent Muslims.
Bin Laden's inner circle also was frustrated when, in 2010, attention in the US shifted to the weak economy without apparently crediting al-Qaeda for the economic damage that terrorist attacks had caused. "All the political talk in America is about the economy, forgetting or ignoring the war and its role in weakening the economy," his spokesman, Adam Gadahn, wrote.
Bin Laden wrote that "controlling children" was one of the keys to hiding in cities, as he did for years while US forces searched Pakistan's rugged frontier. He encouraged his followers in hiding to teach their children the local language and not let them out of their homes "except for extreme necessity like medical care."
The correspondence suggests that al-Qaeda carefully monitored US. cable news networks and generally didn't like what it saw. "We can say that there is no single channel that we could rely on for our messages," Gadahn wrote, although he described ABC as "all right, actually it could be one of the best channels as far as we are concerned." He complained that Fox News "falls into the abyss, as you know, and lacks neutrality." CNN, he said, "seems to be in co-operation with the government more than the others except Fox News, of course."
Gadahn suggested sending videos of bin Laden's remarks to all the US news networks - except Fox News. "Let her die in anger," he wrote.

The correspondence includes letters by then-second-in-command Abu Yahya al-Libi, taking Pakistani offshoot Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan to task over its indiscriminate attacks on Muslims. The al-Qaeda leadership "threatened to take public measures unless we see from you serious and immediate practical and clear steps towards reforming (your ways) and dissociating yourself from these vile mistakes that violate Islamic Law," al-Libi wrote.
Apparently bin Laden was not made of aware of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan's planned bombing of Times Square in New York in May 2010. But he expressed disappointment that Faisal Shahzad did not manage to pull off the attack after the bomb failed to detonate. Shahzad was convicted and sentenced to life in prison for the attempted attack.
Bin Laden also warned the leader of Yemeni AQAP, Nasir al-Wuhayshi, against attempting a takeover of Yemen to establish an Islamic state, instead saying he should "refocus his efforts on attacking the United States."
And he seemed uninterested in recognising Somali-based al-Shabab when the group pledged loyalty to him because he thought its leaders were poor governors of the areas they controlled and were too strict with their administration of Islamic penalties, like cutting off the hands of thieves.
Nothing in the papers that were released points directly to al-Qaida sympathisers in Pakistan's government, although presumably such references would have remained classified. Bin Laden described "trusted Pakistani brothers" but didn't identify any Pakistani government or military officials who might have been aware of or complicit in his hiding in Abbottabad.


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Quite the opposite.

Fox News is far and away the winner here: a) its loathed by AQ and b) viewed as wholly independent of the government or its propaganda.

On the other hand they view CNN as being "in cooperation" with the government and "neutral" as far as negative coverage is concerned. More egg on the face is the highly favorable opinion of its Arabic language outlet for what is tantamount to giving free airtime to AQ press releases.

I'm not sure being AQ's preferred source of news is a distinction I'd want attached to my news network.

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http://theweek.com/article/index/227540/has-a-california-treasure-hunter-found-bin-ladens-body

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On the other hand they view CNN as being "in cooperation" with the government and "neutral" as far as negative coverage is concerned.

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CNN, he said, "seems to be in co-operation with the government more than the others except Fox News, of course."


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Biden got shitted on the hardest, man. They basically consider him retarded. The mullahs love Olberman, though. He should amend his CV ASAP.


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Quite the opposite.

Fox News is far and away the winner here: a) its loathed by AQ and b) viewed as wholly independent of the government or its propaganda.

On the other hand they view CNN as being "in cooperation" with the government and "neutral" as far as negative coverage is concerned. More egg on the face is the highly favorable opinion of its Arabic language outlet for what is tantamount to giving free airtime to AQ press releases.

I'm not sure being AQ's preferred source of news is a distinction I'd want attached to my news network.


learn to read you stupid fuck :lol:


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Quite the opposite.

Fox News is far and away the winner here: a) its loathed by AQ and b) viewed as wholly independent of the government or its propaganda.

On the other hand they view CNN as being "in cooperation" with the government and "neutral" as far as negative coverage is concerned. More egg on the face is the highly favorable opinion of its Arabic language outlet for what is tantamount to giving free airtime to AQ press releases.

I'm not sure being AQ's preferred source of news is a distinction I'd want attached to my news network.


learn to read you stupid fuck :lol:


If you followed the news as a regular habit instead of when it was perceived as advantageous to you, you'd know the bit about the news networks leaked about a month or so ago, you provincial faggot. And the conclusion was the same then as it is now: AQ hates Fox/Faux/Fake News.

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If you followed the news as a regular habit instead of when it was perceived as advantageous to you, you'd know the bit about the news networks leaked about a month or so ago, you provincial faggot. And the conclusion was the same then as it is now: AQ hates Fox/Faux/Fake News.

.. But you were the one who misunderstood it.
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Fox News is far and away the winner here: a) its loathed by AQ and b) viewed as wholly independent of the government or its propaganda.

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CNN, he said, "seems to be in co-operation with the government more than the others except Fox News, of course."


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I understand you guys think of Fox as the uncle who stole away your innocence on those dank, summer nights.

You can parse it out any way you want: AQ hated Fox News and, in fact, wanted "...her to die in anger."

And if they are viewed as being part and parcel of the government; why are "CNN and the others" (who are viewed as wholly complacent to the government) at the party getting the fresh Bin Laden videos except Fox?

The media section is clearly about which channels AQ prefers and why they prefer them.

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Fox News is far and away the winner here: a) its loathed by AQ and b) viewed as wholly independent of the government or its propaganda.

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CNN, he said, "seems to be in co-operation with the government more than the others except Fox News, of course."

Read the quotes again. It is very clear. He is saying Fox News is obviously in co-operation with the government more then any other channel.

Not saying it is good thing or bad thing for Fox News, but you seem to have a hard time understanding what he meant.


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Fox News is far and away the winner here: a) its loathed by AQ and b) viewed as wholly independent of the government or its propaganda.

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CNN, he said, "seems to be in co-operation with the government more than the others except Fox News, of course."

Read the quotes again. It is very clear. He is saying Fox News is obviously in co-operation with the government more then any other channel.

Not saying it is good thing or bad thing for Fox News, but you seem to have a hard time understanding what he meant.


I'm not having a hard time with it; everyone else in the thread seems to be.

But I'd still like an answer to these questions: if both CNN (which is the runaway winner as far as AQ's preferred media outlet) and Fox are perceived as being in bed with the government, per your assertion, why is Fox the only network being deprived of new Bin Laden videos? Is CNN's cooperation with the government superior to Fox's in the eyes of AQ? Also, if like CNN it is an arm of the government, why would they want it to ..."die in anger"?

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Because Fox, in his opinion, is co-operating more with the government then any other network.. Is that not obvious?


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Because Fox, in his opinion, is co-operating more with the government then any other network.. Is that not obvious?


Not to me, no.

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In general, and no matter what material we send, I suggest that we should distribute it to more than one channel, so that there will be healthy competition between the channels in broadcasting the material, so that no other channel takes the lead. It should be sent for example to ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN and maybe PBS and VOA. As for Fox News, let her die in her anger. That is if there was no agreement with a specific channel to publish a specific material, or conduct an interview, or the like."


^From the report. There you have listed an actual reporting arm of the government, PBS, and Bin Laden's other favorite government cooperator on the list of new video recipients; no Fox, though. Why not?

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Because Fox, in his opinion, is co-operating more with the government then any other network.. Is that not obvious?

Not to me, no.

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CNN, he said, "seems to be in co-operation with the government more than the others, except Fox News, of course."

Like I said, you seem to have a very hard time understanding what he meant. Can not be more clear.


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good look on the website. its cool that westpoint does stuff like this, albeit probably some massaged shit available to the public. but what the fuck do i know about it?

look in their "publications" -> "all research products" portion. i mean shit, they have zip files of the documents themselves, thats pretty fucking sweet


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Because Fox, in his opinion, is co-operating more with the government then any other network.. Is that not obvious?


Not to me, no.

Jesus. You're already looking looking incredibly stupid on this one, and you're going to feel it when you realise, which you will when snap out of it and read it again properly. He hated Fox News the most, and considered them to be the most co-operative with the government. It isn't remotely ambiguous.

Either way, I'm not sure his opinions should have much bearing on how we judge a news network.


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Because Fox, in his opinion, is co-operating more with the government then any other network.. Is that not obvious?


Not to me, no.

Jesus. You're already looking looking incredibly stupid on this one, and you're going to feel it when you realise, which you will when snap out of it and read it again properly. He hated Fox News the most, and considered them to be the most co-operative with the government. It isn't remotely ambiguous.

Either way, I'm not sure his opinions should have much bearing on how we judge a news network.


Yeah; no. Maybe you're stupid as fuck, but at least you are doing the courtesy of agreeing with 50% of my point. AQ/Bin Laden hated Fox News, but it did not view it as in cooperation with the government. If anything else to the contrary were true, all news outlets would have ran with it. Fox is detested and if AQ?Bin Laden deemed them to be in league with the government, it would still be a story with major legs, at least to CNN and MSNBC, its closest competitors.

Gotta stomach that hate, bro.

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He complained that Fox News "falls into the abyss, as you know, and lacks neutrality." CNN, he said, "seems to be in co-operation with the government more than the others except Fox News, of course."

I am pretty sure at this point you are just trolling though.


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Because Fox, in his opinion, is co-operating more with the government then any other network.. Is that not obvious?


Not to me, no.

Jesus. You're already looking looking incredibly stupid on this one, and you're going to feel it when you realise, which you will when snap out of it and read it again properly. He hated Fox News the most, and considered them to be the most co-operative with the government. It isn't remotely ambiguous.

Either way, I'm not sure his opinions should have much bearing on how we judge a news network.


Yeah; no. Maybe you're stupid as fuck, but at least you are doing the courtesy of agreeing with 50% of my point. AQ/Bin Laden hated Fox News, but it did not view it as in cooperation with the government. If anything else to the contrary were true, all news outlets would have ran with it. Fox is detested and if AQ?Bin Laden deemed them to be in league with the government, it would still be a story with major legs, at least to CNN and MSNBC, its closest competitors.

Gotta stomach that hate, bro.

Read it again. You're going to feel stupid.


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Because Fox, in his opinion, is co-operating more with the government then any other network.. Is that not obvious?


Not to me, no.

Jesus. You're already looking looking incredibly stupid on this one, and you're going to feel it when you realise, which you will when snap out of it and read it again properly. He hated Fox News the most, and considered them to be the most co-operative with the government. It isn't remotely ambiguous.

Either way, I'm not sure his opinions should have much bearing on how we judge a news network.


Yeah; no. Maybe you're stupid as fuck, but at least you are doing the courtesy of agreeing with 50% of my point. AQ/Bin Laden hated Fox News, but it did not view it as in cooperation with the government. If anything else to the contrary were true, all news outlets would have ran with it. Fox is detested and if AQ?Bin Laden deemed them to be in league with the government, it would still be a story with major legs, at least to CNN and MSNBC, its closest competitors.

Gotta stomach that hate, bro.

Read it again. You're going to feel stupid.


Heed your own advice.

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Here's the full text:
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"As for the neutrality of CNN in English, it seems to be in cooperation with the government more than the others (except Fox News of course)."

Do you still interpret that as Bin Laden viewing Fox News to be less in co-operation with the government than CNN and 'the others'?

As for the '50% of you point' I had the 'courtesy' of agreeing with, think nothing of it. I just had to back you up on that remarkably insightful observation.

And do you mean that Fox News' competitors would make a big story of Osama Bin Laden's criticisms of Fox, and use them as some kind of endorsement of their own networks? I'm not sure he's the greatest choice of spokesmodel.


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Here's the full text:
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"As for the neutrality of CNN in English, it seems to be in cooperation with the government more than the others (except Fox News of course)."

Do you still interpret that as Bin Laden viewing Fox News to be less in co-operation with the government than CNN and 'the others'?

As for the '50% of you point' I had the 'courtesy' of agreeing with, think nothing of it. I just had to back you up on that remarkably insightful observation.

And do you mean that Fox News' competitors would make a big story of Osama Bin Laden's criticisms of Fox, and use them as some kind of endorsement of their own networks? I'm not sure he's the greatest choice of spokesmodel.


I originally linked to the full text so I am familiar with it. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I am going to refer you to all my previous posts in this thread. They answer the questions you've asked.

Fox News ran with it in several news segments last week. If Fox was unafraid to run with that story; why not the other networks? The fact that other outlets didn't speaks volumes as to the accuracy of my interpretation and the inaccuracy of yours. I'm sure that sentence can be parsed a million different ways, but it still only means what it means.

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