I remember when Jay-Z dissed Meeno and referenced that video

"You thought niggas was shooting your fat ass out of cannons before (I'm That Nigga)"

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best jay verse ever

It was a classic verse.

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unrelated, but i remember paul anka talking about how mafia niggas threw johnny carson down a flight of stairs back in the day

niggas didnt like johnny i guess

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all jokes aside tho, cardan was crazy talented...

RIP Huddy

of course a blackstreet-phile would think puffy mase > coc mase

one flowed like a retard; the other flowed like dmx without the crack addiction

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STFU, Yew, you netcee fagget.

Ma$e was the Dean Martin of rap and his natural voice followed the lineage of Spoonie Gee and Slick Rick.

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it was kewl that most of the rappers he influenced were significantly better than him (Fab, Kanye).

This version of "I Ain't No Killa" from the Bad Boy 10th Anniversary album is criminally slept on.

http://limelinx.com/files/ec776f5bf50e6 ... b5dc91b9fe

i think ur old age is catching up to u. first u say 4 loko > purple swag now this? next you will tell me ma$e > black rob

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Actually, Benjamin, I said Peso >>>>> Purple Swag and that's undoubtedly true because Purple Swag is basically Jurassic 5 doing Swishahouse, and Peso is the only great song Rocky has so far.

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LOL @ Kanye being a better rapper than Mase.

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"I'ma disrobe you, then I'ma probe you."

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Sounds like a Weird AL parody line.

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lol

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Yeah I was going to respond to that assertion as well. Kanye has never been a better rapper than Mase, doesn't matter the period we're talking on either. Better artist & better producer - certainly. But his raps are definitely not better.

Fab is questionable as well. His career has been mired by extreme inconsistency, and while he's moved beyond that a bit, he's also very one dimensional. Mase definitely showed more versatility - but a detailed catalog vs. catalog comparison would actually be a lot of fun.

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On a related note: I would argue that Kayne owes more to Rhymefest than Ma$e regarding style-fathering.

You son, are a fucking moron.

Ma$e has always been a faggot.

i garaun-fuckin-tee you in 1999 you did not give a shit about Mase, nor did you rate him highly in any sort of emceeing capacity.

but I get it, he had a relatively short career in the late 90s so he gets the trendy revisionist overhaul. Regardless that the career in question featured him dropping one okay album, one horrible crew album and one dreadful sophomore effort. None of which saw him spitting anything other than middle-verse r&b cameo rhymes before getting destroyed by Jay-Z. Then he came back with another mediocre album and got destroyed by Cam'ron.

Kanye on the other hand helmed 3 classics and a very good album of which he rhymed the lion's share and dropped joints like "Through the Wire," "Diamonds from Sierra Leone" and its remix, "All Falls Down" "Get By," "Spaceship," "Monster," "Power" etc etc. Are his rhymes on there rivaling Nas or Rakim? Obviously not... but the dude who made "Lookin' at Me" and "Feels so Good?" LOL

The fact that this is even being debated was offensive to me, then I remembered where I was. Wake me up when you guys decide that G-Dep was actually the forefront of the new millennial NEW YORK BACK movement before drugs and street crime robbed us of his amazing rhyming talents.



Rhymefest writing whymes for Kanye doesn't change the fact that he got his style from Mase, something Ye openly admits and cites in various interviews and rhymes.

Fact : Child Of The Ghetto is more consistent than any noughties Nas album.

Pipe down, AFFEX, you fucken' Aussie drongo. I dance in the desert over your claims about Ma$e.

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"hello yes, this is Stillmatic"

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Stillmatic has, like, 3 good songs and Nas getting bodied on his own shit by AZ. I mean, Child Of The Ghetto only has 6 good songs, but. y'know, that's a better batting average than Stillmatic and whatever the fuck Nas' other noughties albums were called (nobody other than Mindbender and a bunch of Irish dudes can remember their titles at this point).

Hay dewdz, let's talk about how Harlem World is ageing better than any 90s Jay album due to humor (both intentional and unintential) always being a key ingredient of Ma$e's music.

All those Jay albums have been rendered completely unlistenable now it's transpired that he's just some incredibly bland ham 'n' egger who somehow managed to fool everyone he was this awesomely cool magnetic personality drunk off money and power between '96 - '99. Dude makes opulence sound boring and it's impossible to envy this guy :



NY rap would've been far better had Jay-Z never existed, whilst Ma$e proved to be hugely influential on the two most important NY rappers of the last decade : Cam'Ron and Max B.

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I really dont recognize much Ma$e influence. I mean what are we talking here? Slow delivery?

Meanwhile, Kanye's talk-rapping, sense of humor, and phrasing all owe quite a bit to Fest. He took the style Rhymefest had been using, refined it and later made it his own.

Ive softened my stance on it being straight up biting, but to to relegate it to Fest just having written some rhyme for Kanye early on is an understatement in my opinion.

you diss flight of the navigator you diss yourself

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drawl flow, the corny second line pun flips, the fact he's said he studied Mase's style when he started rapping, this etc

you really don't get this?

No Idea's Original isn't even on Stillmatic, nobody other than dullards/Nas stans give a fuck about a song that's a bunch of "LOL ur gay!" disses over a Ron Browz beat that sounds like a cast off from the Harlem World group album, and even Blast Off with Loon & Mark Curry is a more tempting listen than the likes of Smokin', Got Ur Self A.. and Braveheart Party.

And we haven't even mentioned how Lil B's I Am The Hood made One Mic superfluous yet.

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No, I do get it. However, when I think of Ma$e's influence I see Fab loud and clear...but I dont see that level of influence on Kanye, if that makes sense.

Never heard that Ne-yo joint before though.